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The Clove Town Plan Ground Plan by Built4ever The Clove Town Plan Ground Plan by Built4ever
Alrighty folks, this is the first shot at a measured ground plan for "The Clove" town design project that I am doing for someone. It looks like the main plaza is maybe a little over 300 feet long and 200 feet across. This is a rough "raw" sketch, no clean-up, no labels, and not complete, but I want to get some feedback, especially from architects or other creative types. I'm trying to get the dimensions just right so that the proportions of the open space between the various groups of storefronts is just right. This is not easy, and there are places where things get quite narrow, yet pretty open in the middle. Keep in mind it's a pedestrian only plaza! No cars or parking needed. The central feature is a "shallow" stepped waterfall, something you could wade in probably. There is a second stream that joins the main one, coming in from the top right. Most of the groups of buildings are somewhere in my gallery, and overall perspective bird's eye view of the plaza is there too, for reference[link] . Height of various storefronts is very important! Design philosophy dictates an "organic" curvilinear look to the plan. No classical planning! It should look like an Italian or Southern French hill town, but better!! Feedback?
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NasuKaran Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2013
Sorry if this is late or if you've thought of this already, but a great way to add in greenery is window boxes. I was in Paris recently, and in the narrower, more "organic" areas of the city there are lots of very narrow 'balconies' in front of windows. The hotel I stayed at and the apartments across the street had them - just wide enough for me to stand on, but the railing was only about mid-calf height. I saw someone across the street storing their bike on their balcony, while a lot of people had potted plants, many of which were rather "flourishy" (hanging over the railing, piling up against the wall, &c.).

Maybe they could grow spices and herbs in the town, since it's based on spices? ^-^ Beautiful drawings of the town (linked in the description), as well, of course!
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Built4ever Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2013
Yes, my cottages ALL have window boxes he he I use them all the time...HELL I even build 'em! I have some on my back deck. Yes I grow spices too! Just planted some...
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MrEd301 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Professional Interface Designer
I see a cobblestone street surface, on a hillside or hilltop coming out of this. The plaza and narrow streets are typical of small rural villages that you seem to be trying to emulate. The small infill greenspaces are very appropriate, I do not see that trees or grass would be appropriate in the larger spaces, as I would expect them to be paved as is typical. Mabe the occasional tree or trees in some form of geometric pattern in street grates to dilineate some formal space.
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Built4ever Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
Okay thanks. I'm thinking only small trees, shrubs, planters etc in the main square. I Do want to work in some greenery though. Yes, grass is actually quite rare in places like Spain and Italy.
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MrEd301 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Professional Interface Designer
I don't really recall planters, except rectangular ones (with round ones at the corners) to deliniate a restaurant's seating area in a large plaza. I do remember trees in street grates on the Cote d'Azur of France. And a dirt pitch to play Boulles.
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Built4ever Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013
Boulles! Let's play!! I used to have a set of Boulles. Does that sound obscene?
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MrEd301 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
I have a set or two of metal ones my family got back when we lived in Europe. I do need to get them re-finished, as they have a slight rust haze on them.
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RIErick Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I really like your drawings. I definitely agree that the ground plane needs to vary (to feel organic) -- you've already started this quite well with the sweeping stairs and water feature. What about continuing to play with the hardscape in the Main Plaza (and at other focal points) as well. This could give the illusion of more varied "European" / organic / "found" topography (as if the builders had to make due with their landscape and build around it -- hence all of the novel "movement" I've seen in your amazing perspective sketches). Playing with the hardscape in the Main Plaza might be fun (approximately 200'-0" x 150'-0" on an "X" formed from the focal cafe and tower to the first bridge and from Park 1 to Monument 2). Assuming the hardscape of the Plaza is cobblestone, bluestone, or similar natural material, longer linear "steps" could allow for impromptu seating areas for street performances (even more modern movies on the plaza, etc), lunch, social gatherings etc. I am curious to see what you do with the parks and vegetation (some of the parks are too intimate for large shade trees). With the spaces being very intimate (aka really tight) you may also want to consider were massing of vegetation will be (trees to provide shade, etc) so they don't conflict with your architecture. Good Luck! Post your work -- I'd love to see each of your design phases from concept through construction documentation!
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Built4ever Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012
Absolutely right on, agree with all there, thanks for your thoughts. I didn't get much comments on this one for some reason! Anyways, before I read this, I was already drawing in some of the hardscape features in the middle plaza, especially the stream contour. I imagined only small trees, similar to crepe myrtles, or weeping cherries, which we have quite a few of right here in SC. I also wanted a "shallow amphitheatre effect in the center left where the fountain is located. I want to work in greenery of some sort all over in small controlled doses, planter boxes, strips of liriope grasses, etc. Maybe day lilies? Pocket parks get small trees etc, larger trees go around back behind the storefronts I believe. I don't want to obstruct the view in the center plaza.
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